cartesiano na política

Governo ultra-reacionário do Partido Conservador-Tory a enfiar à pressa no Parlamento uma proposta de Lei para impedir os trabalhadores da União Europeia de terem direito ao subsídio de desemprego antes de trabalharem 3 meses.

Nós vamos aqui discutir que sejam 3 meses, 4 ou que até na Europa garantam o salário Mínimo a quem o quer, e sem condições nenhumas.

Isso é apenas um salário de sobrevivência. De qualquer dos modos, alguém que queira receber algo sem participar em dar algo à comunidade sofre já de qualquer doença e deveria ser tratado.

Não há muita gente nestas condições. O problema consiste mais no facto de que muitas trabalham muito e não são recompensadas pelo trabalho que fazem.

É o contrário do que o governo Camarão diz, os salário baixos no reino Unido são demasiado baixos, e as pessoas sentem-se frustradas por isso.

O Governo Conservador do Reino Unido anda sempre à procura de algo demagógico e populista contra as classes pobres e vulneráveis para revoltar os ingleses indígenas e os imigrantes mais antigos contra os imigrantes novos.

O Partido do Governo actual 2013 devia de ter vergonha por andar a fazer isso. Anda só na caça ao voto. Ele sabe que muitos imigrantes dos países africanos e das caraíbas do Commonwealth odeiam os trabalhadores da Europa porque lhes fazem concorrência.

Davide Camarão também sabe que os trabalhadores originários do Commonwealth (antigas colónias do Império Britânico) têm direito a voto, e que os Europeus apenas votam nas eleições para as autarquias e para os Deputados Europeus. Estão vendo o filme ou querem que vos faça um desenho?

Nós do Cartesiano propomos à Comissão Europeia que introduza imediatamente o voto para tudo a todos os Europeus no país onde tenha a residência principal.

Isso seria uma medida que faria pensar o Partido Conservador duas vezes antes de abrirem a boca contra a Europa.

Séculos de propaganda anti- Europa devido à instalação de Repúblicas e sobretudo da Revolução francesa tem causado um sentimento anti. Europa desmesurado. Isto é mesmo doido porque a Europa não tem absolutamente nada contra a Monarquia Britânica.

A Europa é democrática e o Reino Unido também, e têm uma democracia representativa muito mais forte e antiga do que muitos países Europeus. Obiviamente que a democracia representativa tem de evoluir passo a passo para uma democracia mais direta.

Se examinarmos ao pente a fino as democracias Europrias, veremos que a democracia Britânica é bastante evoluída a este nível e até ultrapassa certamente todas as democracias dos países da Europa Central e do Sul.

Obviamente que não há democracia sem cidadãos conscientes politicamente. O Reino Unido assim como a Europa Continal temfalhado redontamente em formar cidadãos responsáveis.

Os governos Europeus têm insistido mais na formação de mão d´obra politicamente analfabeta. Quase ninguém tem a noção e sabreres suficientes sobre as divisões e funções administrativas e sociais dos países onde vivem. Qualquer macaco inteligente sabe muito mais do que essa gente falhada pelos seus governos dos seus próprios países. Lol.

The bottom line is, se você vive, existe, é um ser humano, então tem obrigatoriamente de saber como funciona o seu meio envolvente, conhecer-lhe as regras no seu próprio interesse e no dos outros membros da comunidade.

Só que muitos não querem que isto aconteça, tem medo que os cidadãos conhecem os seus direito e as suas obrigações. Se assim for, eles conhecerão por acréscimo as funções dos eleitos, ou mais ou menos eleitos, e irão exigir que façam o trabakkho para que foram eleitos.

Assim, os políticos teriam de pensar mais em gerir no interesse das comunidades, enão pensar no interesse próprio, corrupções e diabos a quatro. Não queremos dizer que todos os políticos são corruptos. Não, não são. Ainda há e há-de sempre haver por lá gente honesta e a fazer um excelente trabalho em prol das comunidade que representam.

Seria necessário identificar os corruptos e bani-los eternamente da gestão pública.

Voltando ao assunto que nos trouxe aqui hoje, nós temos observado que O governo reacionário de Davide Camarão sempre cala mais ou menos cladinho sobre os escândalos da corrupção das aves de rapina de alto voo.

Essa corrupção e fraude, por exemplo, nos bancos, e nas empresas que o próprio governo dele contratou para fazerem o trabalho dos serviços públicos tem sido noticiada abundantemente na imprensa social.

Mais uma vez, este governo só está interessado em demagogia, no populismo e em aumentar os milhões de quem já tem milhões a mais. Assim vai o mundo em certos países da Europa. Vocês aí na Europa não têm mesmo juízo nenhum. Não se comam uns aos outros como os canibais!

Sejam civilizados e não se comportem como animais! Isto é uma figura de estilo, porque temos aqui um cão que é um grande filósofo e nós seguimos muitos os ensinamentos do animal. Nunca mordeu nem ameaçou ninguém. Não rouba e vai fazendo algum trabalho que ele gosta de fazer e no qual é um grande especialista e sábio. Que os deuses lhe dêem muitos anos vida.

18 December 2013 Last updated at 11:01 BBC NEWS

Curbs on EU benefits to come into force on 1 January

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New rules on how long EU jobseekers will have to wait to claim benefits are to be brought in early, No 10 has said.

The change to a three-month wait before EU citizens can apply for UK out-of-work benefits is being rushed through Parliament to start on 1 January.

It coincides with the date people from both Romania and Bulgaria will be able to work in the UK without restrictions.

David Cameron said the move sent a "clear message", but Labour said it had been left to the "very last minute".

'Phantom measures' But critics say EU rules already mean residents of one country are not expected to claim benefits in another for their first three months there.

Jonathan Portes, director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, said the government was bringing in "phantom measures to combat a phantom problem".

Measures to restrict so-called benefit tourism - backed by the Liberal Democrats - were announced last month amid concerns about a possible influx of Romanians and Bulgarians when they gain full rights to work in the UK at the start of 2014.

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith: "We are saying to people, benefit tourism is out"

It is not known how many will come. There are currently more than 100,000 working in the country.

Under regulations being tabled in Parliament on Wednesday, migrants from all EU states will have to wait for three months before applying for Jobseeker's Allowance and other out-of-work benefits.

'Direct action' When the new restriction was announced, Downing Street said it was unlikely it would be in place in time for the 1 January deadline - when transitional controls on Bulgaria and Romanian workers in place since 2007 expire.

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I want to send the clear message that whilst Britain is very much open for business, we will not welcome people who don't want to contribute”

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But it is now being pushed through Parliament before it rises for the Christmas recess on Thursday to enable that to happen.

Mr Cameron said the government was acting on public concerns that some migrants from across the EU were coming to the UK to take advantage of the welfare system and public services like the NHS.

"As part of our long-term plan for the economy, we are taking direct action to fix the welfare and immigration systems so we will end the something-for-nothing culture and deliver for people who play by the rules," he said.

"Accelerating the start of these new restrictions will make the UK a less attractive place for EU migrants who want to come here and try to live off the state.

"I want to send the clear message that, whilst Britain is very much open for business, we will not welcome people who don't want to contribute."

'Chaotic' EU rules allow benefit recipients to receive payments from their home country for three months when they move.

Those wishing to do so have to fill out a form authorising the "export" of their benefits. However those staying longer than three months in another country without finding a job or getting an extension will lose their entitlements.

Jonathan Portes, of the left-leaning National Institute of Economic and Social Research, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme the government had not released figures showing the number of immigrants claiming UK benefits during their first three months in the country.

He said: "It's possible it will undermine their case or that they're not interested - that they don't really care if the policy has an impact at all and they just want something to announce. It's one or the other."

Mr Portes also said: "It's a bit of a mystery. A number of people have described these measures as phantom measures to combat a phantom problem. That seems to me to be about right."

For Labour, shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said she had called for the changes to be put in place nine months ago but they were being introduced in a "chaotic" fashion.

"David Cameron has left it until the very last minute to squeeze this change in," she said.

Other changes announced by the prime minister last month included:

Only those who can provide compelling evidence that they have a genuine chance of finding work being allowed to continue claiming benefits after six months.

Beefing up the "habitual residence" eligibility test for claimants
Preventing people who have been removed for begging or sleeping rough from returning for 12 months
Increasing fines for businesses found not to be paying the national minimum wage

UK ministers have declined to say how many people they expect to come to the UK following the lifting of controls but Bulgarian officials say they expect about 8,000 of their citizens to make the move every year.

Shadow immigration minster David Hanson says the government needs to "do more" to tackle issues with migrant workers

Pressure group MigrationWatch UK says the figure will be much higher and it expects 50,000 people to come from Bulgaria and Romania each year for the next five years.

Bulgarians and Romanians in self-employed jobs and those employed in certain sectors such as agriculture and food manufacturing have been able to live and work in the UK for the past six years.

Transitional arrangements in other EU countries will also come to an end on 1 January.

UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage urged Mr Cameron to bring up the issue at this week's Brussels summit of EU leaders, calling it the "last chance for the prime minister to act on Bulgarian and Romanian immigration into the UK".

He added: "He must tell fellow EU leaders that the UK will not unconditionally open its border to Bulgaria and Romania on 1 January."

A YouGov survey for the Sun newspaper on Wednesday suggested that 42% of people thought it was of "utmost importance" for the prime minister to limit immigration from EU countries.

Some 43% of the more than 2,600 people polled said they would vote to leave the EU if a referendum was held now - 37% said no.

But more than half said they would vote against leaving the EU if Mr Cameron secured a major renegotiation of the UK's relationship with Brussels.

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Comment number 621.
ioioos
31 Minutes ago

Isn't the bigger issue still being ignored?

Why do so many want to flock here in the first place?

Its not for the weather, or abundance of jobs. They choose to bypass many other western countries because of our over generous welfare system.

Tackle the cause. The welfare state should be a fall back for tax payers, not a way of life. It is feeding the national debt and population increase.
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Comment number 617.
SAB
32 Minutes ago

If someone contributes by paying NI then they should have the same rights as anyone else paying NI.

On the other hand perhaps unfunded benefits paid to foreign EU nationals should be paid direct via the EU who would then bill the appropriate country of origin.
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Comment number 144.
Mega Awesume Pooster
3 Hours ago

THIS IS A DISGRCE. People from these poorer countries need our help. Anyone who is unwilling to help the needy is not only selfish, but also very narrow- minded.

I will be petitioning the European court of human rights to get this overturned as they are true children of mankind who care for others.
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Comment number 29.
macca
4 Hours ago

Britain should not accept immigrants who only have short term work. 3 months work does not equal entitlement to benefits. There are British people who have paid into the system for decades and in their time of need do not get a penny.

Look after your own first!
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the6ftmoose
4 Hours ago

Why should immigrants get ANY benefits if they haven't paid any UK tax?